mwj01 wrote:Nice review, although they're calling him O'Laughlin.
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; she gave a very positive and accurate view of Alex as an actor. Good for her! 
I definitely agree that he would never have committed suicide directly. But putting himself in harm's way would be acceptable to him.allegrita wrote:
Vincent told Stan to never wish for death--and I believe he could never have overtly committed suicide, because of his repression--but I wonder if perhaps that's why he went to the part of town where he got attacked. Maybe he was committing suicide in the only way he could. And if he'd lived through that, I can see him putting himself into a situation where the cops had to kill him.
I didn't see him walking down that alley as him putting himself in harm's way but rather he HAD to do it because he was avoiding the areas where he regularly walked due to police surveillance. They'd thrown off his regular routine and he was forced to walk paths he wouldn't normally walk. It was just an unfortunate coincidence, I thought.cassysj wrote:I definitely agree that he would never have committed suicide directly. But putting himself in harm's way would be acceptable to him.allegrita wrote:
Vincent told Stan to never wish for death--and I believe he could never have overtly committed suicide, because of his repression--but I wonder if perhaps that's why he went to the part of town where he got attacked. Maybe he was committing suicide in the only way he could. And if he'd lived through that, I can see him putting himself into a situation where the cops had to kill him.
allegrita wrote:Francis, thank you very much for that interesting insight. I thought much the same thing... Vincent couldn't allow himself to be physical or sexual at all, and if he felt any sexual feelings, he had to disguise them from himself. The guy ate half a (trimmed) sandwich for breakfast, for criminy's sake. Talk about denying one's physical needs!
Think about the videotape of his mom's murder. I figure that Vincent was videotaping his mother from the closet because he was deriving some sort of sexual pleasure from watching his mom with the other man. And then when his mom was murdered by his dad--for doing something that Vincent was getting off on, and knew was wrong-- no wonder he was messed up, poor guy. He must have just tortured himself from that moment on--blaming himself for his mother's death, and yet also identifying with his father's rage at her. And by murdering all the blonde women, he was trying again and again to reconnect with his mother, which was impossible--because that connection was so confused--a combination of rage, abandonment, forbidden and "dirty" lust, and guilt.
I think that Alex did a wonderful job of portraying a guy who is completely closed off from himself--not only by OCD, but by guilt and repression. The way he snatched his hand away from Stan at the park was so telling to me... as was the way he held hands, bare hands, with him at the very end. Stan was his redemption, and Vincent loved him for that, at the same time he suffered tremendously from even more guilt for having murdered Stan's mom.
Vincent told Stan to never wish for death--and I believe he could never have overtly committed suicide, because of his repression--but I wonder if perhaps that's why he went to the part of town where he got attacked. Maybe he was committing suicide in the only way he could. And if he'd lived through that, I can see him putting himself into a situation where the cops had to kill him.
Overdamoon wrote:Francis and WF, great posts. That's exactly what I finally surmised after much debate in our male-dominated household.
If you happened to watch the show with men, ask for their POVs. I personally didn't think it was sexual but the men did. Vincent was very likely a virgin so he didn't know what real sex with women was. Poor guy.
Yeah he was sniffed out of his hiding place when the cop car drove by. So he took off his glasses so they wouldn't recognize him. He needed to escape, not to commit suicide.SirenSong wrote:I didn't see him walking down that alley as him putting himself in harm's way but rather he HAD to do it because he was avoiding the areas where he regularly walked due to police surveillance. They'd thrown off his regular routine and he was forced to walk paths he wouldn't normally walk. It was just an unfortunate coincidence, I thought.cassysj wrote:I definitely agree that he would never have committed suicide directly. But putting himself in harm's way would be acceptable to him.allegrita wrote:
Vincent told Stan to never wish for death--and I believe he could never have overtly committed suicide, because of his repression--but I wonder if perhaps that's why he went to the part of town where he got attacked. Maybe he was committing suicide in the only way he could. And if he'd lived through that, I can see him putting himself into a situation where the cops had to kill him.
SirenSong wrote: I didn't see him walking down that alley as him putting himself in harm's way but rather he HAD to do it because he was avoiding the areas where he regularly walked due to police surveillance. They'd thrown off his regular routine and he was forced to walk paths he wouldn't normally walk. It was just an unfortunate coincidence, I thought.
Are guilt and repression part of OCD as well? This is a very good characterization of Vincent. ITA, Alex portrayed this complex character perfectly. Brilliant actor!allegrita wrote:I think that Alex did a wonderful job of portraying a guy who is completely closed off from himself--not only by OCD, but by guilt and repression. The way he snatched his hand away from Stan at the park was so telling to me... as was the way he held hands, bare hands, with him at the very end. Stan was his redemption, and Vincent loved him for that, at the same time he suffered tremendously from even more guilt for having murdered Stan's mom.
My position also, Lynne!Overdamoon wrote:
Aargh, Alle!!! I wouldn't go as far as saying that Vincent derived sexual pleasure from watching his mom have sex with any man. Aaargh, banish the thought! I have teenage sons in my house.
Nor did I. And if it were a suicide mission he wouldn't have immediately tried to avert the thug and then defended himself, or attempted to go after the other thug.SirenSong wrote: I didn't see him walking down that alley as him putting himself in harm's way but rather he HAD to do it because he was avoiding the areas where he regularly walked due to police surveillance. They'd thrown off his regular routine and he was forced to walk paths he wouldn't normally walk. It was just an unfortunate coincidence, I thought.
my thought too, wfwilling freshie wrote:Doesn't this remind you of ML episode discussions?
*sigh--what memories*
Sorry for
but imagine with TR in the fall weekly! 