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Re: Three Rivers and maybe I need counseling
Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 11:54 pm
by wpgrace
PNWgal wrote:wpgrace wrote:
I never read fanfic... just cannot get into it... and I hear there are some pretty crazy women writing the stuff...

I resemble that remark, Grace...

Well, truth be told dearest,
Pgal, so do I...
Notice that none of the critics ever mention that there are crazy ladies READING the fanfic... See? You writers
once again shoulder all the burdens and expectations of this fandom. You kept us together, you moved us all forward, you continue to give life and love to our beloved MickJosefBethCora, you write them at this point better than the show writers did, you keep the love burning in all of us... and you take the brunt of the criticism for whatever is whack-a-doodle in the fandom too... You are leaders and you're front and center... Bob bless you for it.
So I can crack jokes about it... and don't get me wrong, I WILL crack jokes. But I revere you all... cause I DO read the fanfic, live and breathe for it... enjoy it, marvel at it, think about it in quiet moments (which even in my house sometimes happen) just like I do my favorite novels, and regret like hell that what YOU all have written will not get on screen, cause YOU all have written stuff AlexJasonSophiaShannyn coulda run with and made into a huge hit.

And I'd actually pay to see y'all's stuff on screen... cause I think my cable company's gonna make me pay out the wazoo anyway... might as well be watching something I'd really like...

Re: Three Rivers and maybe I need counseling
Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:08 am
by Josefismysire
wpgrace wrote:PNWgal wrote:wpgrace wrote:
I never read fanfic... just cannot get into it... and I hear there are some pretty crazy women writing the stuff...

I resemble that remark, Grace...

Well, truth be told dearest,
Pgal, so do I...
Notice that none of the critics ever mention that there are crazy ladies READING the fanfic... See? You writers
once again shoulder all the burdens and expectations of this fandom. You kept us together, you moved us all forward, you continue to give life and love to our beloved MickJosefBethCora, you write them at this point better than the show writers did, you keep the love burning in all of us... and you take the brunt of the criticism for whatever is whack-a-doodle in the fandom too... You are leaders and you're front and center... Bob bless you for it.
So I can crack jokes about it... and don't get me wrong, I WILL crack jokes. But I revere you all... cause I DO read the fanfic, live and breathe for it... enjoy it, marvel at it, think about it in quiet moments (which even in my house sometimes happen) just like I do my favorite novels, and regret like hell that what YOU all have written will not get on screen, cause YOU all have written stuff AlexJasonSophiaShannyn coulda run with and made into a huge hit.

And I'd actually pay to see y'all's stuff on screen... cause I think my cable company's gonna make me pay out the wazoo anyway... might as well be watching something I'd really like...

EXACTLY!!

Since this is the first fandom I have ever been privileged to be a part of, my first impression of the fanfic was WOW!! THIS IS GREAT STUFF!! I have been humbled, moved, awed, inspired, challenged and entertained by all the wonderful writers that the ML fandom has produced. That alone, in and of itself, is absolutely priceless. You writers are simply THE BEST.
And..yes..it is a huge regret that none of this outstanding work will see the screen in the likes of Mick, Josef and company...you are right, grace.. our cast would've won every award there is bringing these stories to life!!
Re: Three Rivers and maybe I need counseling
Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:09 am
by ash
Everyone knows how i feel about the future of ML. I don't campaign, haven't made a call, or wrote a letter or email since July of last year, however in TV nothing is dead, especially anything that as a actual loyal fan base, and i'm talking about genre fans in all honesty. Hell. I would love a Full House reunion at some point and that show has been off air for 15 years.
LF has a point that ML sites have become a bit Alex-centric HOWEVER that is ONLY because he has been doing big things as the other just haven't had the doors fly open yet. Again, I love CBS for what they have done for him over the last year and lets face it, Alex could love or hate them but in our business, that crap don't matter. It's a job and you take it.
I'm sorry but i don't condemn those who are still fighting. We all laugh now, and say how silly they are, but guess what guys, nothing ever gets achieved by doing nothing. Does ML still rule my life? Honestly, not as much as people think. I really only read fic as of late and RP when i can. I'm aware of the probablities, professionally and personally of ML ever getting anything more than those percious 16 eppy's, but i hope and in my business, which IS the entertainment business, well you better have the audacity of hope (and i don't even like that man).
Now I know Red that this isn't a debate but as a middle grounder, i agree that some earlier comments were worded abit hurtful to those who still have some hope. I mean if we got word tomorrow for a good source ML has one last chance but you all have to prove you still want it, what would most of us do?
Beth line- I've stopped using the word never.
Ok, i'm off

Re: Three Rivers and maybe I need counseling
Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:17 am
by redwinter101
ash, I don't think anyone here has laughed at campaigners or called them silly. This is a no campaigning site but there are other sites that still campaign, as is their choice and their right. And if there are comments in this thread that you feel are inappropriate or harsh, please report those posts and we will deal with them. I've just had a re-read of the entire thread and I can't see which comments you are referring to.
Most of the comments here are about how people have coped with losing Moonlight and that anger has given way to appreciation for what we got.
As I said earlier in the thread, I don't think there's a single member here who wouldn't have wanted a second season with the original cast and writers.
Red
Re: Three Rivers and maybe I need counseling
Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:26 am
by VampFan5
I'll say this. Watching upfronts and seeing the previews for 3R have opened up the wounds fresh for me. I've been depressed for two days and I know it's ridiculous to feel this connection to a canceled television show that only had 16 episodes but I can't help it. Moonlight brought back a part of my life I thought was dead, my writing. I had given up on writing entirely before this show inspired me. I'm a happier person these days (except for the past two days obviously) because I have a creative outlet again. I'm glad there are others out there like me that still think "what if" or feel nostalgic. The preacher last Sunday used the words "right here, right now" in his sermon and I almost lost it. I'll never be able to hear the phrase "seal the deal" again without thinking of Josef with a smile across my face. I guess what I'm trying to say is that everyone is entitled to grieve in their own way and some of us it just takes longer. We have good days and bad days. Today has just not been a good day but I'm coping along with Moonlightsonata and everyone else who loved this amazing show.
VampFan5

Re: Three Rivers and maybe I need counseling
Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:30 am
by librarian_7
Something in one of the earlier posts got me thinking, and I'm going to try to articulate it...we'll see how it goes.
Why am I still writing fanfic? For a show that, as my nearest and dearest has pointed out (more than once...), has been cancelled and over for over a year now? Why bother?
It's because the love in my heart for these characters, for this world, has inspired me. I started writing about the time B.C. aired, with a very brief vignette. I'm currently in the middle of two multi-chapters and a couple of one-shots. This story has awakened a storyteller in me that is not willing to walk away from Mick, Josef, Beth, and the others.
So I write fic. And as long as there are people here who love these characters, both the canonical ones and my OCs, I'll keep writing. As long as I have stories to tell about them, I'll be here.
Lucky
Re: Three Rivers and maybe I need counseling
Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:33 am
by one.zebra
When I explained the suddeness of Moonlight's cancellation to Hubby last year he was convinced it was something personal between the higher-ups. He's in business and has seen one company thrown out and another brought in over a dispute between owners...
I have hidden my obsession and heartbreak from my family. They would not understand...that's what I have all of you for...YOU understand.
Also, as much as we want (wanted) it to be different, the Moonlight numbers were not high enough for CBS..this IS business, and not personal to us loyal fans.
If Moonlight had been on USA orTNT or SciFi it would have done great.
Also, you cannot foget the writer's strike...did they strike to ruin our favorite show? No, it was business.
There were internal problems to Moonlight, show runners, writers, etc. that also worked against it's sucess.....
Now remember I LOVE Moonlight, but watching it again on Friday nights, it is rough in spots, awkward even..yes, I do think things would have smoothed out in season 2, but it was not to be.
There is much in life we can control and more that we cannot.
We have Moonlight on DVD,(something I thought would never happen) and Alex in a new show that has a much better chance of being a big hit.
This is fabulous, let's enjoy it!
Re: Three Rivers and maybe I need counseling
Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:39 am
by ash
There has been plenty of negative comments said about people who campaign over the last year, mostly on other sites. I commend the MLA crew that this is a pretty fair site and everyone opinions are respected. As for eariler comments, none are intentional hurtful, just felt as if the writer was saying we all need to stop any hope of a future, which to people who are still fighting can be a bit hurful.
I also very much respect MLA's decision to not campaign, there are plenty of site that still do and i know we would all kill for a second season, i have no doubt of that.
I guess what i was trying to say is that it is still a sore subject especially with the hopeful sucess of TR. It is a bitter taste somewhat and i admit some earlier comments, reved me up at bit when talking about the reasons for the cancellation, ratings being the biggest one, but those are just MHO and as you said no real need to rehash, we could still go for days.
ML will always be a sore subject, i showed a friend a few scene of NSTAV today and he said he wanted to watch it and asked how many seasons? I growled. He said Oh. lol
Re: Three Rivers and maybe I need counseling
Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:50 am
by wpgrace
librarian_7 wrote:Something in one of the earlier posts got me thinking, and I'm going to try to articulate it...we'll see how it goes.
Why am I still writing fanfic? For a show that, as my nearest and dearest has pointed out (more than once...), has been cancelled and over for over a year now? Why bother?
Lucky
Um... perhaps because you're good at it???
Re: Three Rivers and maybe I need counseling
Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 12:58 am
by moonlitmuse
I couldn’t agree more. Don’t get me wrong, I’m extremely happy for Alex and I will be following him wherever he goes but a part of me will always mourn the loss of Moonlight. Yes, Alex is an amazingly talented actor and part of what made Moonlight great but it was so much more than that…it was that once in a lifetime mix of a great plot, awesome writers and producers, and a phenomenal cast that brought to life intriguing characters. It was the whole package that affected us all so much and drew us into this obsession and that’s never going to change for me. No other show will ever compare.
I guess when it comes to Three Rivers and any other potential new role, I’m excited for Alex but don’t really care about the show beyond the fact that it means we get Alex on our screens each week. Medical dramas aren’t really my thing either but it’s like Man-Thing, I’ll watch for Alex’s parts and tune out the rest if I have to. For his sake, I hope it’s a good show that doesn’t end up canceled, but I’m not going to be heartbroken if it is. I’ll feel bad for Alex but only one show has ever grabbed my heart enough to break it. And I just can’t see that happening again despite loving the leading man, because --newsflash, CBS-- it takes more than a great leading man to make a great show.
It still ticks me off that CBS (and some journalists) ignored the big picture and reduced our beloved show to “actor-centric” like we were just a bunch of ditzy fangirls fawning over a hot guy. Because as pathetic as it may sound, Moonlight changed my life. I was going to have to leave college because I was in too much pain to move and no one knew why, and I was feeling completely alone and dejected and scared out of my mind. Then I caught part of an episode and it sucked me in so completely that I forgot about the pain and all the other crap for awhile. Next thing I know I’m part of this awesome Moonlight community (a first for me) and I don’t feel quite as hopelessly alone anymore. The show and the message boards and all the creative stuff gave me a much needed escape, and most importantly it got me back into doing what I love…writing. I’ll always owe ML for that.
So while I’ll appreciate and look forward to all the new things our actors and writers get involved in, Moonlight will always hold a special place in my heart (just like Alex said). Heck, I’ll probably still occasionally reminisce about it 20 years from now and lament the fact it only lasted 16 eps…and that’s not unhealthy or living in the past, it’s paying homage to a remarkable little show and all the hard work that went into creating it.
Re: Three Rivers and maybe I need counseling
Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:01 am
by redwinter101
ash wrote:There has been plenty of negative comments said about people who campaign over the last year, mostly on other sites. I commend the MLA crew that this is a pretty fair site and everyone opinions are respected. As for eariler comments, none are intentional hurtful, just felt as if the writer was saying we all need to stop any hope of a future, which to people who are still fighting can be a bit hurful.
I also very much respect MLA's decision to not campaign, there are plenty of site that still do and i know we would all kill for a second season, i have no doubt of that.
I guess what i was trying to say is that it is still a sore subject especially with the hopeful sucess of TR. It is a bitter taste somewhat and i admit some earlier comments, reved me up at bit when talking about the reasons for the cancellation, ratings being the biggest one, but those are just MHO and as you said no real need to rehash, we could still go for days.
ML will always be a sore subject, i showed a friend a few scene of NSTAV today and he said he wanted to watch it and asked how many seasons? I growled. He said Oh. lol
I think we're all agreeing with each other, in our own ways. We miss Moonlight. We wish we'd had more. We wish things had worked out differently and we are all of us inspired by this wonderful show.
mlm, I couldn't agree more. But, only 20 years?
Red
Re: Three Rivers and maybe I need counseling
Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:06 am
by librarian_7
wpgrace wrote:librarian_7 wrote:Something in one of the earlier posts got me thinking, and I'm going to try to articulate it...we'll see how it goes.
Why am I still writing fanfic? For a show that, as my nearest and dearest has pointed out (more than once...), has been cancelled and over for over a year now? Why bother?
Lucky
Um... perhaps because you're good at it???
Aw, shucks, grace. Thank you!
Lucky
Re: Three Rivers and maybe I need counseling
Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:16 am
by ash
*ash inclines her head to Ms. Red, hoping the mod knows she bows to her feet on many levels* We are for the most part. and since i didn;t mention it yet and this my last post as i have a headache, it is 1 am here in the UK and i have to get up in a few hours for my red brick work LOL
Moonlight has been on hell of a experience. It has got me doing something that i deeply enjoy and that is sharing the crazy stories in my head (though IMHO i'm not every good at it.) it has inspired me to go back to acting, and taught me more about my craft as a film professional, and my industry then some of my classes. A pilot has been born out of my musings
ML taught me that no, fandoms are NOT freaking people who never leave their homes. They are amazing women and men from around the world and from every walk of life. I love my girls.
It introduced me to Alex O'Loughlin and Jason Dohring, two men i would be proud to work with one day and reafirmed my love of it's leading ladies.
I'm proud to be a Moonlighter, always will be. My friends and family laugh but I don't care and though I'll never allow myself to get so attached to a show ever again unless I'm working on it, i have no regrets and never will.

Re: Three Rivers and maybe I need counseling
Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:18 am
by wpgrace
librarian_7 wrote:wpgrace wrote:librarian_7 wrote:Something in one of the earlier posts got me thinking, and I'm going to try to articulate it...we'll see how it goes.
Why am I still writing fanfic? For a show that, as my nearest and dearest has pointed out (more than once...), has been cancelled and over for over a year now? Why bother?
Lucky
Um... perhaps because you're good at it???
Aw, shucks, grace. Thank you!
Lucky
I am totally selfish... I LIKE that you're good at it... it works out for ME. If it also brings YOU a bit of pleasure, well even better for me, cause it means you'll do it again. I am honest, at least...
Tho I must say... and forgive me all you creative people for not putting this well, but recall that I am NOT a writer... But it
astounds me, how many of you have a similar story... either you USED to write and quit because life got messy, or you always WANTED to write but never did because life is messy, or you never even thought about writing because life was just messy... and then this show inspired you to write and... dang! You have amazing TALENT at it!!!! How could so many of you be so frikkin talented and either you didn't know it or you weren't using it???? That truly amazes me!
I am GLAD that ML inspired you all to write... as I said above, it works out so wonderfully well for ME. But it is hard for me to look at your talent, at the beauty and complexity of your words and stories, and comprehend why you haven't always been writing...
Since we are contemplating in this thread how ML has made us feel... and how this particular week has reawakened those delightful feelings in all of us... I thought I would say, part of my delightful feelings revolve around y'all's work, but I will always be puzzled how you all can be so good at what you do, and yet have gone thru so much of your lives having NOT done it.
For that alone, ML gets extra credit, don't you think??
Re: Three Rivers and maybe I need counseling
Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:28 am
by willing freshie
lafluffy wrote:willing freshie wrote:
I will always love my ML eps and watch them still today on my comp. But Alex has moved on and, except for enjoying our ML here in memory and fanfic, it, IMO, is time for the grieving process to end, just as you would with any loved one you have lost.
OK. I am ready!

With all due respect. You are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to dictate how others feel. And I agree with Red- no one here wants to rehash or analyse the whys and wherefores of ML's demise.
With all due respect, you gave your opinion in an earlier post,saying you thought Alex was only a medium talent. "I happen to think that Alex is not a great actor. His is a medium talent, as he himself has asserted."
No one got upset over that? But I can't lay out facts and I get jumped on. Interesting.
So you can give your opinion but I can't. Nice balance here.