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Re: Sleeping Beauty (Episode Ten)
Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:49 am
by wondergirl9847
Good gravy, Mick looks HOT in that last pic! Sheesh!
Sorry for the shallowness.
I really like Sam...she's adorable.

Mick is old school...indeed. That's why we love him so much. Well, ONE reason anyway.

Re: Sleeping Beauty (Episode Ten)
Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:09 am
by wpgrace
wondergirl9847 wrote:Good gravy, Mick looks HOT in that last pic! Sheesh!
Sorry for the shallowness.
I really like Sam...she's adorable.

Mick is old school...indeed. That's why we love him so much. Well, ONE reason anyway.

Yes, one. Another being that FIRST reason you mentioned... the shallow reason...
GA... you are a hoot.

Your screen caps and captions are clever and fabulous.
And Sam was one of the GREAT guest characters on the show... ya had to love her...
Re: Sleeping Beauty (Episode Ten)
Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:02 am
by redwinter101
Re: Sleeping Beauty (Episode Ten)
Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:11 pm
by nutmegger911
This is one of the great chemistry scenes in the show. You can just see Mick trying to sort it all out, and Sam's reaction is classic! What I love about this scene is the wonderful subtlety in demonstrating Mick's old fashioned sensibilities. It would have worked even if he hadn't said anything, but being busted by Sam brought it out just enough.
Re: Sleeping Beauty (Episode Ten)
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:54 pm
by Kade1301
Sam was absolutely fabulous - a pity they replaced her by Logan (I understand they needed a vampire hacker, and I've nothing against Logan - it's still a pity) who corresponds so exactly to Sam's description of the stereotypical hacker...
Re: Sleeping Beauty (Episode Ten)
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:19 am
by GuardianAngel
I know, I know. It's about time.
Now having a name for the assasin, Mick heads home to talk with Josef. He exits the elevator and is instantly on alert. He approaches the open door to his place with caution (You know, I've watched this episode many times and not until this time did it really dawn on me that Josef shouldn't have done that. LOL)
He peeks in to see a couple girls dancing and Josef sitting with a third girl beside him. There's a blond, a brunette and a redhead. (I guess he was covering all the bases. And I think I hear Josef saying "and now you, kiss her." I'm pretty sure.)
Josef greets him with a "hey, you're back."
Mick apologizes, definitely not happy, and turns off the music telling them the party is over. The girls are nervously watching him.
Josef gets up and gets close to Mick to talk and tells him the girls just got there. Mick told him not to go out so he ordered in. (A line that still gets me every time.)
Mick wants to know if Josef has a death wish and tells him to get them out of there.
Josef turns to the girls and tells them Daddy's a little grumpy - they'll have to pick this up later and walk them to the door.
He gives them kisses and smiles as they leave. Mick watches with a seriously pissed off expression.
Mick is losing patience as he listens to their murmers of dissapointment. One even tells Josef she loves 'his' place.
Josef closes the door and spins around to Mick and makes a "it's done, you happy?" gesture.
And Mick goes off on him. He can't believe Josef told people he was alive and at Mick's. What if they tell someone?
Josef's amused.
Does Josef want the guy coming there to blow them up? Wreck his place and burn him up too like Tim and Dan. What's the matter with him? Mick asks Josef if he even thought about it. Josef's looking less amused.
Mick asks that if Josef doesn't care about himself can he at least care about not getting Mick killed. Josef is almost at a loss for words. He struggles and then tells Mick that he knows how lonely Josef gets.
Mick's response is harsh. He says he's beginning to see why. Ouch!
Point made, Mick gets down to business and tells Josef he got the assasin's name. It's Ralf Martan and he wants to know if Josef recognizes it. Josef's back in snark mode (probably to cover the hurt of moments before) and makes like he's thinking (for all of a second) and says he's doesn't. Mick says he's special forces, Dark Watch, Afghanistan.
Josef quips that the last time he was there, the British were invading. Mick gives up and turns away. Until Josef says that he needs to go to his office.
Mick wants to know if he's kidding. Josef says he has a fireproof safe there and he needs to get some cash.
Mick is actually tripping over his own tongue, he can't believe Josef. He doesn't need cash! But Josef says he does. He can't drink Mick's store bought blood anymore. He needs some fresh AB- Mick stutters and finally gets out that Josef's office is not a safe place.
Again, he gives up and says he's going to bed and hits the stairs. Josef asks what he's supposed to do. Mick pauses and then says why doesn't he tidy up.

Re: Sleeping Beauty (Episode Ten)
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:49 am
by PNWgal
I ADORE this scene. The back and forth between Mick and Josef is so fun to listen to - and Josef just adds a few more layers to his complex character.
When Josef tells the girls they have to "pick this up later" because "Daddy's a little grumpy", one of them makes this little "aww!" sound. I don't know why, but it cracks me up every single time.
Re: Sleeping Beauty (Episode Ten)
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:11 am
by librarian_7
This is one of my all time favorite scenes, I have to admit. It's both Josef's facade, and a look behind it. "I get lonely" gets me every time (and trust me, there have been a lot of times).
And yes, GA, you're not mis-hearing. What Josef is saying is (as close as I can get...) "We're going to play a little game...the rules are, first, you kiss her..." That naughty Josef...
Lucky
Re: Sleeping Beauty (Episode Ten)
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:15 am
by wpgrace
Re: Sleeping Beauty (Episode Ten)
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:32 am
by Lilly
And then there's the real killer: "Look, I get lonely, man -- you know that." Yes, Mick knows Josef likes to surround himself with people, but he didn't seem to see the expression on his friend's face that added silently, "...because when I'm alone, it's harder to drown out the things that eat away at me..." That fleeting glimpse of vulnerability was just heartbreaking, and it was made even more so by the fact that his best friend steamrolled right over it without a second thought.

Re: Sleeping Beauty (Episode Ten)
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:41 am
by GuardianAngel
I think Mick caught himself and realized just how hurtful he had been. Which is why he changed the subject, he wasn't going to hammer Josef any more. But he didn't apologize either. Men!
Re: Sleeping Beauty (Episode Ten)
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:56 am
by lafluffy
The thing that I find so attractive and compelling about Mick is his maturity. IMO, most men portrayed on TV are anything but mature. Boys, all. Whether bad boys or just babies.
For me Mick has always been this unusual and rare male character, a man. That's what makes me swoon. And this scene is a perfect example of just that. Josef is a playboy with a lot of knowledge, way more knowledge than Mick, given his ancientness, but that does not a man make. Mick may have less knowledge, but he is streetwise, has not depended on lackeys to do his bidding at the snap of his fingers. He is responsible, street savvy and protective. Someone who is in your corner, without reservation. Sigh and swoon.
Thanks so much, Guardian Angel for all that you contribute and for your heartfelt perseverance and diligence in this eternal and immortal saga.
Re: Sleeping Beauty (Episode Ten)
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:04 am
by librarian_7
Interesting interpretation, lafluffy. I think Josef has worked hard to put forward the "public persona" that is much as you describe.
However, and I feel this is borne out in the show canon, he also is consistently shown as supporting and backing Mick, and sharing his wisdom with the younger man. And as this scene--along with the rest of this episode--amply demonstrates, there is considerable depth of emotion and maturity in Josef. As we will see shortly, he steps up in a difficult situation to care for Sarah in her coma. A lesser MAN would not have done that.
Lucky
Re: Sleeping Beauty (Episode Ten)
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:15 am
by GuardianAngel
I'd have to agree with you, lafluffy, about Mick inasmuch as he has street smarts, he's protective and he's a good friend. I consider him to be a 'man' and a sigh worthy one at that. I waiver a little on the responsible part though. I do think that he's his own man and does what he thinks to be right regardless of what others think and that sometimes includes Josef. But I also think that Mick tends to run from what he doesn't want to deal with and can be stubborn to the point of stupidity. In this scene he definitely lets his anger get the better of him. I can understand his annoyance but that remark to Josef about knowing why he's lonely was brutal.
Josef, to me, can be an enigma. Up to now we've seen him as the playboy, the ruthless businessman. There may be a little of both of those in him but I also think a lot of it is a front. In this episode (and especially this scene) we see a vulnerability. The vamp has a lot of depth. Along with the vulnerability I think he's chafing at having to ask for help and having to rely on someone to this magnitude. He's usually in charge. He's careless in this scene and Mr. Paranoid is anything but careless, so we're seeing a crack in the armor here.
This is the episode that really made me sit up and take notice of Josef. Especially this scene. It made me realize we were only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
Re: Sleeping Beauty (Episode Ten)
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:36 am
by Lilly
GA, I couldn't agree more.
I love that we see Mick take on the role of big brother in this scene, but his admonition is laced with hurt and anger. Hours earlier he had shed tears at the loss of his friend -- a friend who now seems careless and unaffected by the whole ordeal.
But Josef
was affected -- shaken enough for some cracks to appear in that armor. He wasn't selfishly looking for fun and games. He was trying to distract himself from the fact that things had gotten so far out of his control. Maybe, on some level, leaving that door open and throwing a "party" was a show of strength, that he didn't run scared, that it took more than that to throw Josef Kostan off his game. Of course, he was off his game, but he was trying to maintain the cool, carefree facade he had worked so hard to perfect.